The CFG Game Cast

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the CFT Gamecast episode number 284 a weekly podcast grab my game as a stream as I like to discuss the latest gaming topics from the previous week We stream a new episode every week and release on all podcast services.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am Mr. C if she games himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: David screen it with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: What would be the day I got my two awesome co-hosts?

[SPEAKER_00]: I got pop in the second seat.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

[SPEAKER_00]: Pop how you doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Doing good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm slowly adjusting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything feels so fast for me, but I think it's because I wake up early.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm working and I'm just like, man, it's got to be like,

[SPEAKER_01]: 12 o'clock in the afternoon is the only like 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, we went back an hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that always gives you that weird, like you have that lag delay that you need to react, but react, let me yourself to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's super awkward, but kind of there's some pros to it, but also some cons.

[SPEAKER_01]: one of the cons being that with time filling slower I'm in the last four weeks of the semester winter break is coming up soon so I'm gonna have a nice month and a couple of weeks off after I submit those final grades after the first week of December the other awkward part being that with time filling slow my days are gonna feel fast what I'm not giving lectures I mean you know you can fill that out easily with a

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably finish a couple of games.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because you know, you know that background that you're you have a back field roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: I only want to even discuss with my back, my back, my back field roster is that's just, oh, God.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on on the bright side, it's small.

[SPEAKER_01]: The downside is some of them is just like prepping speedruns.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm consuming input on top of prepping speedruns.

[SPEAKER_01]: What?

[SPEAKER_00]: You're the person who is extremely lucky that his team just won by the skin of their freaking team today.

[SPEAKER_00]: The five star general of the 80.

[SPEAKER_00]: Be the speedy committee.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got speedy in the third seat.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on, my dude?

[SPEAKER_05]: Excuse me, whoa, if I could talk.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like you alluded to, the bear's trying to give me a heart attack over here.

[SPEAKER_05]: Walk away, we're up like 41 to 27.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, oh my God, games over, it's like three minutes left in the game.

[SPEAKER_05]: Come up, come upstairs, get myself, you know, then up, also not getting an alert on my phone.

[UNKNOWN]: What?

[SPEAKER_05]: How is that even possible?

[SPEAKER_05]: So I run back downstairs.

[SPEAKER_05]: I cashed the last 50 seconds of the game.

[SPEAKER_05]: This game was absolutely disgusting.

[SPEAKER_05]: Nobody won the plate defense.

[SPEAKER_03]: The title score was 47-42.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, not 47-42.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think, yeah, 4742, which is a ridiculous, I imagine it blew the over out of the water here.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not making me feel confident as a bears fan, especially since we pride ourselves in our defense.

[SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to go and do that, but I'm glad we're able to survive it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Love when the rook come in through with two touchdowns that final one rumbling up the middle on a

[SPEAKER_05]: um so yeah we we officially have a better record and we did last season I believe so um uh yeah i did you know that's that's that's good that's good when we also uh finish uh the nameless lay the dragon and i will have to say i enjoyed my play through but that was a

[SPEAKER_05]: very unsatisfying ending that I got.

[SPEAKER_05]: There are multiple endings, though.

[SPEAKER_05]: You saw him in a place to run it back in, and yeah, I'm definitely going to run it through again.

[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I, I, I, to the ending, I was, I was not, I was realistic.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was real, it was real.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was real.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was real.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was real.

[SPEAKER_03]: Very real.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I did not like, it's realness in that respect.

[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me wonder how many disappointing endings that there are.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just multiple endings, just one true ending is the only saddest fact you'll get out of the game.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I don't mind doing this.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't even think about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't even know how many endings there are.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's like a decent amount of endings to the game, because there's certain items that you'd be carried through all the way through the game.

[SPEAKER_05]: They have a day-on-locked different achievements and different things and stuff or like,

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a crazy game.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a really good game.

[SPEAKER_05]: It really is.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had a lot of fun playing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I was just saying you you clocked in that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Man, it's hard to say how many actual hours, because I think there are times that I just left it on.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'd probably say, I'd probably say a little over a hundred, maybe a hundred, 20.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's my debt.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it should be good.

[SPEAKER_05]: The save says like three hundred and some hours.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's impossible.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not that close, not that long, but it's meaty.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot to do, and it's not easy by any means.

[SPEAKER_00]: no, most definitely not, but it's, it's funny, it's funny, it's funny, it's funny, it's not, you actually finished it, that's, I'm actually surprised you did, but that's what I didn't really do, oh my god, why are I supposed, it's no, you know why, to be gonna back on, that's all right, you'll be there with it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that is, you know, the truth heard sometimes, he's not lying.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, that, and then I've been getting down a little bit on red sick.

[SPEAKER_05]: And again, I remember what it is about battlefield.

[SPEAKER_05]: I can't see the people.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I am playing on a giant screen.

[SPEAKER_05]: And you're playing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth it to be our version it is to be our version.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's kind of like that would be even more like skill to have to be I think if I played it on my PC I'd be fine sitting closer, but like sitting further back dude like I have hard time seeing people in that game.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just like I don't know what shooting me like things are happening.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's fun.

[SPEAKER_05]: No like I like

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm having fun playing it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm trash, but it is a lot of fun for a battle royale.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, yeah, I can see myself playing it here and there and whatnot.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that's that's been the meat of it for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: So at least you just have occupied with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what about you, man, what are you been getting into?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, well, I've been traveling like I came back from Vegas on Tuesday morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't know, I don't know, I mean, well, it went pretty good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but like the problem is you can't, you never know what these people are thinking.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nine times of course.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, uh, here we go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I got my second ass ranked character in Dragon Ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Geckerson Scott.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, I haven't played that in a little bit either.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to get one more before the end of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the end of the season at the end of this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I like it.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is about the back of the suit and I've played it like barely any YouTube.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were too busy on the other.

[SPEAKER_05]: The, the, the, the, the R&D.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know, I know, it was, I'm in a league too in college football 25 or 26 with some people I work with.

[SPEAKER_05]: So like, I explain my, I get, I get some in there too.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so now we know who's fault this is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, why are you here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, yeah, it's, but it's hilarious, but yeah, it's a, yeah, so I'm, I finished that up and that was a really good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm right now I'm playing, I'm playing, trying to finish up demon school for the, for the, for the, for my video review of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, so that's pretty much, I've been pretty chill

[SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, there's just so many art like I need to still finish the trail series so I can actually start playing the trail through day break as number three of that game comes out the beginning of the year and I'm just I'm just behind and I'm trying to get better at it and hurry it up, you know, so we'll see.

[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, no excuses.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know the other one to be talking about my excuses on why I haven't finished up on the back My backlog in my game.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go through the normal rig and roll that we like to do each and every week.

[SPEAKER_00]: So each of us brings a topic of discussion that happened in the world of video games.

[SPEAKER_00]: I happened the previous week That happened in the previous week in the topic would or could be a game itself or something that happened in the gaming industry

[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, if it is something, uh, but we don't want to talk about it amongst ourselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to use the listeners and viewers on Twitch and on YouTube to be a part of the conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if there's some of you who want to chime in about, by all means, just type it inside the chat.

[SPEAKER_00]: We would love to talk with you and go from there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So pop, what are you bringing to the table?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one random Thursday before this great day last saving weekend, Nintendo decided to shadow drop an announcement of the animal crossing new horizon update, the 3.0 update that's coming out in January, 2026.

[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't this update, it's a pretty jam-packed update.

[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of the switch to addition, which is just, you know, improved resolution, mouse controls, a megaphone, and then the 12-player multiplayer.

[SPEAKER_01]: The free update itself, we get the resort hotel, upgraded item storage, the reset service.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's the dream world, somewhere where people can actually manipulate your island with you, as well as a bunch of cosmetic

[SPEAKER_00]: Although with the level functions is going to be a mebo function to this too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the Zelda and Splatoon will be available.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are mebo's will be available.

[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as you all know, with Nintendo things, you have Nintendo critiques where some people are very, very displeased with the idea of paying $5 for improved graphics, mouse controls, and everything else that's coming with the Switch 2 version if they already own the game.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I just want to know what you guys thought were, uh, I think this is pretty interesting to get an update.

[SPEAKER_01]: Granted, it's been four years since we've had an update, but it's clearly, they're clearly wanting some longevity here in this announcement kind of revive the Animal Crossing community.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, my current timeline is not okay right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize how many of my mutuals actually played Animal Crossing until this announcement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, somebody, what do you think?

[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I feel the same way that I feel about the upgrade to Mario Party in terms of that for me is I don't like I think it's cool it's fun little things and stuff like that and I don't think it's like a I mean like a $5 upgrade cool but like again man like I just feel like that that culture of Nintendo is kind of

[SPEAKER_05]: it just shows us dead to me.

[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, it's just like something like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I get it and, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, hey, it's worth five bucks, sure.

[SPEAKER_05]: But it's like, just in goodwill and good bait, especially to a game that's been out for five, six years now, you know, to be like, hey, look, and again, this is also coming with the free update like you said as well.

[SPEAKER_05]: So there is a lot that they are giving away for free,

[SPEAKER_05]: Again, the camera.

[SPEAKER_05]: Come on, buddy.

[SPEAKER_05]: Who's got the camera?

[SPEAKER_05]: Who's got it?

[SPEAKER_05]: I want to know I want to know It won't take it won't take third party cameras at least last time.

[SPEAKER_05]: I tried it didn't take my camera Huh, it will take some okay, maybe it's okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, you know, it just

[SPEAKER_05]: It, to me, it just feels like a cheap little, let me reach in your pocket and snatch five dollars for this thing that we've had out for a while.

[SPEAKER_05]: I, again, I don't think it's anything crazy that they're asking or anything like that, but I think just to show good will, just to be like, hey, we're gonna do this upgrade for free or whatever, especially in these times, like,

[SPEAKER_05]: I think that would have gone a lot further, but again, this is a great update.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is something that I know a lot of people are going to go back to.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to show my family and stuff because this was like our COVID game was animal crossing.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, it has a big meaning to a lot of people, I'm sure.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, to be able to see it continuing in them doing big updates like this is still always cool to see.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, yeah, I think when I think it when you think of COVID and you think of gaming while COVID.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely the the president of the leader of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And and shoot the number sell.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's sold 42 million units.

[SPEAKER_00]: So which is insane.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, uh,

[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, I think that it's actually warranted.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because the off, because it's like, when you're saying, when you're comparing it to Mario Party, Mario Party, all the added was a freaking camera.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all they did.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just added a freaking camera, and then they did, and they added like two new games that were like camera, in force, and stuff, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: This, yeah, they're adding not only the increased frames, I mean, I would look at it as an expansion because the way the level of the expansion on this one is that you're getting a legitimate amount more than what you would have gotten from the original one.

[SPEAKER_00]: So right because this one like the the fact that you can play with 12 players is a big one is a huge one I would say because what was it what was it before was it six or it was a no it was four right for people only four people at a time to your island or to your island okay thanks

[SPEAKER_00]: It was huge.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's running the up the frame rate to 60 frames per second as well as adding a lot of new stuff and the luck like the more of the stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've already done a pack ton of free updates on this game.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they kind of failed to remember this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was a ton of other small ones and they also had a paid one that that you had to necessarily do and like and it's and I think the five dollars is very reasonable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Especially since they know how many people have bought this game in the past right and actually have a secondary deal for it So I think it's more if any game is more justifiable though ink to just charge at least five dollars for this kind of increase And they know that there's a lot of people that moved over to switch to I mean I don't see a problem with it now They did the same kind of bullshit that what they did was Mario party with the camera thing that I would have been like

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have died.

[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't them yeah, I don't have that left the sour taste of my life Yeah, I'll be like what you'll do in here.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know like it's like the face.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're not even trying with that nonsense So so no, I I am I am for this for them doing this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a pretty cool thing And they also found a way that you could actually like build multiple things at the same time instead of doing it one in a time Which is like

[SPEAKER_00]: All those different kinds of changes in stuff that you're doing in it like in this is a little legitimate.

[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't played in years.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's been years since I've played the game so like I have not been I think yeah

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah, on the outside, I could see where you're coming from.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because the way it looked like in the way it was represented, it presents like it's a minimal, a minimal thing, but a manual thing, but it really isn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, I think it's something that you're getting a lot for and then just for I mean, just six frames really do anything for you though.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you really need 60 frames for a game like this?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like what, what, like,

[SPEAKER_00]: to be fair rule of thumb 60 frames is just better as it is period like 60 frames per second like there's not a game where you don't be like you need to be on 30 like it feels a lot better yeah it's more responsive just I mean do you absolutely have to use it now because I mean shoot them you have a crossing is a crime example of it it's 30 frames per second so like 40 or 40 million so but yeah once you play but once you play it then you do at the solid 60 I bet you's going to be a nine day difference

[SPEAKER_00]: Just like it's always usually is when you're asking a person to pay more money than something that you already own like this, but if you're getting that I think if you're getting the money or the money's value out of that out of whatever you're paying

[SPEAKER_00]: Then, I mean, fine, I mean, I'm fine with it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I agree, I mean, I literally, I can't talk trash.

[SPEAKER_05]: I paid SNAP, $10 a month basically.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, do you, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: So, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm just, yeah, I mean, it's not looking down on anyone that comes to it, but I like this.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do I line my way out of this, or do I just hold on to that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you've been consistent, have you missed a month?

[SPEAKER_00]: You've been consistent this whole time?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't, I think I've maybe missed a month, possibly more.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I had pretty consistently, like, the last couple months.

[SPEAKER_05]: And my couple of me, like, fewer, full more.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is actually quite impressive.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that game is, what, four years old now?

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, here's the other thing squadra.

[SPEAKER_05]: I bought that battle pass.

[SPEAKER_05]: I am done barely anything to it And you're telling me I got like a week left now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got a grind it now wonder yeah, and I don't know But it's yeah, I wonder if it's if you if you if you don't finish it you lose it that's another thing I don't know I'll be all to tell you

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's funny, yeah, so, no, no, I'm just saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a play and he could I was getting to frustrated people who really bad, you know, I totally understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't take it no more.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's pop, pop.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to get this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's not going to push me into getting a switch to, but my mom's probably going to force me to play the update with her.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's the one thing I don't understand that they're adding into this.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the switch to is it the mechanics that are changing like the like the like the the dream to dream.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's happening or no, no, no, no, so the switch to is only going to be the improved resolution mouse controls megaphone and the 12 player multiplayer.

[SPEAKER_01]: The dream island along with stuff that's for everybody so switch one and switch to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it doesn't include a 12 player multi player dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a 12 player on the switch one Your switch one's going to catch on fire.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been tries 12 players on here It will try it's it will try it's hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of stuff It just it just evaporates all your hands just Donna snaps it all

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, I would love to try that though, because I did not know they had a working arcade game Yeah, that's new that that is definitely my I My that's yeah, I forgot about I forgot about this game and being able to do things in one eye.

[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't play the one Like I didn't even play that much when we played it like they were more into than I was I was it's another gamer.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like it's kind of a game that there's no, like, point.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, there's no end.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: And like, which is cool, but like, for me, those are time sucks.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's just like, dude, like, I just, like, I would love to look at this.

[SPEAKER_05]: They got a little Zelda collaboration.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, this is, I like, I love this.

[SPEAKER_05]: I can choose to do why, like, my daughter, you know, because she was super heavy in this game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you have a question.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have a question because like the thing is like this game is old.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost five.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be five years next year, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like for this game to come out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was six.

[SPEAKER_01]: It came out of 2020.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, six, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, six years.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like the real question is like, do you think it's too late for people to be like, you know, to be to have that same, because I feel that this kind of move feels like a move that's happened in like a person's watching this and from rose colored glasses, because they remember, they had the time to do what they had to do in this game to make it enjoyable.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but now since the since the world is back is it's open and and all this stuff like you're going to say you're going to see a Sam excitement Six years later, you know what I mean even even when you do this even when you do this free change and stuff I guess the real question is is like How like do you like is there really going to be that level of excitement to coming back to this let alone not only on the switch to but like you know all the extra stuff and features that are going to be coming into it.

[SPEAKER_01]: what I can say from the animal crossing community they're excited.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say I think there's a lot of and again this is a game that you don't I don't think you necessarily had to to have been there to be able to appreciate it especially how much has gone into it and how many things are already due now as opposed to when we first

[SPEAKER_05]: got the game.

[SPEAKER_05]: This to me is more of a, if you enjoy that genre of game, this is like the, I don't know, the bends of, of cozy games.

[SPEAKER_05]: It would a ton of, a ton to do and now you can go and customize islands and hang out with your friends and boys chat and here's my 360, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: part of the purchased, the census community kind of being an upward, we might see some refugees from the Sims going over to Animal Crossing to give it a shot.

[SPEAKER_05]: Sims mobile getting shut down or being shut down next year.

[SPEAKER_05]: I believe it ends in January.

[SPEAKER_05]: So the market is ripe for the for the the cozy the cozyness and with the support of up to 12 players see that I think that in itself is an incentive especially folks with the switch to the

[SPEAKER_05]: you know, pop in, whether they be new or or whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: What's refreshing is the fact that years down the road, they're still having big content drops like this happening.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're still being mindful of it and bringing new things and, you know, giving you some free stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like, hey, all we're asking is, you know, five bones for the switch to upgrade here, some things that we did and whatnot come on in, or come back, whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: Can I think of 65 if you do not own the game?

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, yeah, that's correct.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that no upgrade.

[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, so.

[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_05]: Really.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: They couldn't do anything to where they were like, hey, if you've never owned the game before, it's only $60 for both or something like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: That would have been a way of getting new people.

[SPEAKER_05]: But again, I think they're they they stay in firm by its roots in the cozy community and the community

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they said it's going to be coming in the beginning of 2026.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's an official date yet, but we'll be able to see what we'll definitely be seeing it very soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Smitty, what are you bringing to the table?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, head to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: We've been following the whole power world in Nintendo saga here for a few years now and here not too long ago.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was in Not ill back last year in March of 2024.

[SPEAKER_05]: Nintendo had, you know, that's when they did a lawsuit against a power world and whatnot.

[SPEAKER_05]: One of the things that they're trying to do is essentially patent their capture mechanic.

[SPEAKER_05]: They took this to the Japanese patent office to try to get a patent.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the office came back with at least a, it's not

[SPEAKER_05]: final.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, this is not the end.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'll be all for them.

[SPEAKER_05]: But it was a rejection of this patent.

[SPEAKER_05]: Essentially, there was, they, they, they essentially said that the patent is,

[SPEAKER_05]: It can't exist.

[SPEAKER_05]: You can't come with a new patent when games like Ark, Monster Hunter, four pocket pairs craftopia and some other games already had that mechanic that existed.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it couldn't be a new mechanic.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the other thing too is that this is where it gets kind of scary territory, where

[SPEAKER_05]: You're taking things like that and trying to say that other games or other people can't do this.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, they weren't even the first ones, I believe it was, what, did you, Mon?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we know that they didn't, you know, they didn't invent this.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I think this is where it kind of gets dangerous in terms of them, you know, and this decision.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it seems right now that at least it, it's been struck down here in the Japanese patent courts, they're saying that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, essentially it can't exist because there is art that already existed prior to this patent being brought up to them.

[SPEAKER_05]: Which I always thought was kind of weird just like, how can you, how can you try to say this after the fact?

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, so again, this is, this is also in the, uh, Japan paten office.

[SPEAKER_05]: So that's different than, you know, if they were to file something over here, I don't know how that works in terms of, uh, you know, with the patents, but this at least I feel sets of precedents, uh, moving forward.

[SPEAKER_05]: Again, this is a non-final decision.

[SPEAKER_05]: So,

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what that means if they can go back and have a chance to prove that I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think I say it's going to be speculation, but I just want to know what your guys thoughts are.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of good to see Nintendo getting slapped in the face a little bit with these kind of shenanigans and how aggressive they've been with things like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the fact that they're trying to take it to like, oh, we, we, we, you know, are patenting a game mechanic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I will say this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's very rare to see Nintendo actually like a court saying no to Nintendo.

[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you that's something that they've probably never it ever thought that they would encounter, but come on guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, look how all this, everything that's been that that's currently happening with Nintendo in this thing with pocket pairs is it's totally unorthodox.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just doesn't even make any sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad Japan.

[SPEAKER_00]: their courts have actually put a somewhat of a block to what they're trying to patent in the first place.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what I love more is that pocket pair was using examples including Pokemon's own game for that said mechanic and saying that it's impossible to do that because that means ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just needs to come, it just comes up to a rule where it just needs to be

[SPEAKER_00]: No studio, no company should be able to copyright a game mechanic, because all game mechanics is created by some sort of level of

[SPEAKER_00]: You know of of something that they were like that they were built upon upon of it's like from a long time ago Like something could have gotten something was there that already existed and then they did their their twists and then He made it its own separate it made it something I mean every like it's every kind of mechanic that you see out there It's an original one.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's something it comes from something else and you're and then we'll be trying to put a block on that

[SPEAKER_00]: It stuns a person's creativity and I don't understand it like how like I mean, you know, you know, it's actually is what I was actually talking going on to walk with the front with my friend yesterday about it and I was like, you know what, I'm pretty he agrees to, but I was like, do you know what really made Madden really worse?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so random that we kind of got into it because I don't play sports games.

[SPEAKER_00]: But was that what we were growing up we had choices there was so many other versions of this of football games and other different kinds of games and stuff like that until EA decided to say hey we're going to pay we're going to pay exclusive rights to the NFL so no other game can do that except for us you know and that

[SPEAKER_00]: overnight basically said okay guys that's it no more no more on us you're playing like blitz or some other games no one gives a shit about about fake peep about fake characters anymore so like so they don't make it no one else makes a different kinds of games now they're that guess what they make 20 something years later competition's gotten the shit because man's got the shit and it's like and people are just are just disappointed when it comes this kind of nonsense so

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just feel like this is the this is the road that that that that Pokemon is trying to lead themselves to that they're going to be trying to get themselves into that kind of role where it's like we don't have to improve hence why how shitty the the versions of Pokemon are nowadays.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's no direct competition.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to change.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're wanting to go the easiest way, which is basically, hey, let's just let's just outdo them in court.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I'm just I am glad that that someone has finally said no to this as a first step I mean, it's not a victory quite yet, but it's still something that they without to go back and turn in a like to go back and then read line and reassess themselves because they know they can't

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they can, they have enough to be like, oh, these, their monsters are too close to Pokemon, which, yeah, some of them are, but it's not like something that you would be like, okay, we gotta shut the shit down, which, which by the way, my think about it, the game is fundamentally different than what Pokemon is, which is really weird that they're, that they're, that they're, that they're, that they're dying on this hill against it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't understand like where this animosity is coming from,

[SPEAKER_00]: But it just seems very weird how the hell hard core they are trying to push this feud with them But anyways, but yeah, I'm just glad that someone saying no and hopefully hopefully we'll see more more knows here Unfortunately, it's too late for the U.S. because they approve those patents.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they can re-nag on it, but still very interesting Yeah, but yeah, we'll see Yeah, they can take you back Yeah, nay

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they definitely snatched the camera pattern that Suga had that the tendo disputed so they can They can't be revoked, they're never permanent Okay, that's not that's yeah, that is good to know

[SPEAKER_00]: But given the fact that it's a very specific pattern though in the U.S. to be fair, but I'm sorry we'll be saying something.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, I was going to say what to Larry so is the fact that Pokemon came out with their Farming system.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_05]: I told you for that Tell me that's not a troll.

[SPEAKER_03]: Not only that, but I am actually a part of a kickstarter called ballbugs That is like an adult version.

[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds horrible.

[UNKNOWN]: No

[SPEAKER_05]: No, like not like in that not like in that sense, but like like it's more real as to graphics I I'm doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did this people.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were like For the beta access to We're not going to circle around the you own slaves

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jesus, I mean, Jesus, you're enslaving animals.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're enslaving, I mean, you're like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna just sugarcoat their slaves.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God.

[SPEAKER_05]: That is, that is real.

[SPEAKER_05]: And you can make the human slaves as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you they're like, God.

[SPEAKER_03]: You mean, you're talking about power.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were talking about power.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were talking about power.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were getting started that you're doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're openly like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, oh, what's this anopsis?

[SPEAKER_00]: You own slaves and you fight with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't actually like, let me put this down.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, oh my god, they're calling it what it is, all right, they're calling it what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you're like, this is a good thing I should back, and let me let's back this project on.

[SPEAKER_00]: My god, you got the better of me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that's funny.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let me see what this is all about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get a reason we get reported.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it's a spitting, it's a spitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a spitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a spitting thing on his social media.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just do better.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm not the one who says, all right, I'm glad to know and I hope it continues his way.

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like it's dangerous when they're playing around here with the patents.

[SPEAKER_05]: So if I'm glad to Japanese patent office said, oh, nay, nay, pump the brakes.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, here's some some games that also use these mechanics.

[SPEAKER_05]: So what?

[SPEAKER_00]: that's a good one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not so wild.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not inventive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it just seems very weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't even know, like, like, what are we, like, seriously, what are we doing here?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: like the fact that they that they put this month after power was already established, just should have already been red flag number one, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because didn't the original beta or whatever version of power was that the beginning of 2024?

[SPEAKER_05]: And then and say anything to well after it would had already released and everything dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, yeah, so it's just like it doesn't make any, none of this makes any levels of sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like,

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like what are we doing here when it comes to this it's just it's so frustratingly annoying that you see exactly what they're trying to do and then yet you're just like you're you're you're fainting in ignorance towards all of this and I don't know like what hopefully will hear some some good news here in the in the near future is not super lengthy or the process is going to be super lengthy or anything but like it's just

[SPEAKER_00]: Just hurry it up, man, like they just need to hurry it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like just pull that band a, just give it the full denial.

[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully Nintendo will just move on to their merry way because like I really hope that they don't, that this hasn't become a presence.

[SPEAKER_00]: And remember the time when we did announce this when this happened, we were like, I hope they fight because if they, if they settle, that whole presence is going to be changed for a lot and not not just for pocket pair, but just for everyone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like where it comes from, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, yeah, so hopefully, oh, man, I get, I'm really, really, I'm back, back.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it just makes, it just makes me upset just thinking about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm, I'm falling along.

[SPEAKER_05]: I, I will be seeing how things play out.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I will keep you all abreast.

[SPEAKER_00]: A breast, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that, is that one of the words that they told you in ball buds on the, uh,

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm just good, I'm just kidding, it's stupid.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just being stupid.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, anyway, no, that's not it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately after this, I am definitely going to check out that video for Kickstarter on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what I'm going to do right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be like, what is it that made Smithy be like, I'm in?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like he looks at you like son of a bitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I said you I said you That was that was the wild one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will say I have to clip this it clip that pole signal That's great Okay, so my topic final topic of the day.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a guess what?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, it's that time of year, it's more layoffs, but now this one is a huge one because this kind of came out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, Amazon is Amazon earlier this week laid off over 14,000 employees of Amazon itself, which

[SPEAKER_00]: is a lot of people, but it's probably like not even like a fraction of what like maybe one or two percent of what the Amazon is, but the big thing is that some of the games to use the Amazon owns were highly affected on this.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the biggest studios that they had was the developer, the studio that was running the new game, the new world.

[SPEAKER_00]: So

[SPEAKER_00]: Literally overnight when they announced these layoffs like the studio disappear like it's complete it's completely shut down They They don't have an estimate amount of how many people were working in that studio at the time, but then but then at the time then later on Well, they just recently

[SPEAKER_00]: released their their 10th expansion i'd be it's called a new world a terror my belief a turn turn on my belief yeah so this one this is the 10th one and then there was a post uh the next like earlier this week show saying

[SPEAKER_00]: that due to like that it's not it's not fundamentally give profitable for them to be keeping the the the production up for this game and they were saying that this was going to be the last in final update or less in final bigger expansion for the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: They keep in the servers up as long as far as we know to the end of 2026 but there has been any kind of updates on if they're going to make it like a

[SPEAKER_00]: So they have basically all the crew of that developer studio gone and so and then they then but then overall the the future of other studios with then AWS on itself,

[SPEAKER_00]: They're up in the air because right now the mood in Amazon is fear because they do not know what they're going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because literally this 14,000 came literally out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: The no one knew that this is going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like right now the biggest mark on the everyone's back are all these gaming developers and these studios and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to get what y'all starts all about this or what you think uh what they think is going to uh uh what you think about like new world going away.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it really sucks is that the game is good.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I feel like that was one of the best games that they had produced at Amazon games.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, crucible was pretty bad.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, but that's a hard genre.

[SPEAKER_05]: So for them to go in and like, you know, game the game wasn't like, you know, it's taking them some time to get it where it's at, but like, it's a game I've hopped in a couple times and when it's a solid MMO.

[SPEAKER_05]: you know it's got a pretty decent size community as well so you know it's unfortunate number one that folks uh again that thought that hey we're working on this thing and this and that uh when it first launched is sitting here being like all right it's closing down or saying it's not profitable and stuff like that like

[SPEAKER_05]: It almost feels like, you know, I don't understand why they do these games if it almost seems like the end result is inevitable, them closing down and not supporting it and figuring out a way to either make it profitable.

[SPEAKER_05]: But again, this is the, this is Amazon.

[SPEAKER_05]: So Amazon's got their hands and all kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_05]: So they seem to be cutting and slashing where they can't, where they can.

[SPEAKER_05]: We saw the change to Luna.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm guessing that has something to do with Amazon and whatnot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the change to Luna.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, with them, kind of like Netflix games where they're going into party games and stuff like that, I think they've basically just given up on really,

[SPEAKER_05]: trying to do something legit with it and it seems to be almost like a a hate we're just keeping it afloat by life and sing some games and making it available and I think it is a smart move on there and but it is not screaming excitement in the back end when you've got them.

[SPEAKER_05]: killing games like New World and things of that nature.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that again, has been one of their more successful games that they've come out with.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I understand a sustainability issue with a type of game like that though.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand why they do these games without understanding that like there's so many other games that are like that that have models that they're able to be profitable not the best one looking at you destiny to But you know, they've at least shown that they can make money and kind of what that model looks like so it's kind of like

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, either you're going to do something and go all in on a game like that or you're or it ends up like this so I'm hoping to at least come out with a peer to peer or something so people can enjoy and continue enjoying the game, but again, it sucks that these these people, you know, going in.

[SPEAKER_05]: For for this job for this work and with the volatility of these companies and especially in the gaming sector nothing seems to be safe anymore unless you're you know nothing nothing really I don't think I need anything in the industry's really safe at this point so it's unfortunate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sorry, we're going to say pop.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So first, I hope the developers can recover and find something sooner rather than later, but it's really annoying when companies dig into genres like MMOs, and then their first reason for not supporting it anymore is no money.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have other games that have been going on for years.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can be innovative while borrowing from models without being accused of cheating.

[SPEAKER_01]: Take, even though PSO isn't in MMO, it's an online action RPG.

[SPEAKER_01]: PSO in Final Fantasy XIV, both have different collabs, but either other IPs that Sega or Square Enix does, collabs with different anime series, like they have a model that works for them, where, I mean, Final Fantasy XIV is a free-to-play, but for PSO, it's still free to play,

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a money issue with PSO like that just an unheard of like if it ever happened and it would be pretty serious because people like there were big bucks at some of those collapse.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it just gets really annoying when companies say, oh, we're going to dive into this genre and then when it doesn't work out the way that they want because they didn't plan it properly, which is probably one of the bigger issues is that they don't plan for the long

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, they're not accounting for every possible variable that can happen when you're developing a game like an MMO.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many games that are old enough that they could kind of take notes from and probably should so that this wouldn't happen again until people aren't, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: So their jobs aren't at stake.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's tough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, as you, I mean, an MMORPG is probably one of the sides, you know, the sides games as a service is one of the most expensive games to make and it's very, I think it's like the tight work rope walk that you have to do just to even get it out because like look for instance, there's only two games in that genre that is that still uses a monthly paid service

[SPEAKER_00]: everything else is free the nine times out of ten.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's free to play just like or or or you or there's a flat fee for one once you buy it then that's it you get to you get to do it like you know like what's called Guild Wars was the same way I just bought the game and then you got the game and then all the expansions of the comes out with it and stuff but this one where I'm just think it like I don't think this was something that they were like because I mean

[SPEAKER_00]: I, we don't have all the information in front of us is where I can't stand with it because like, new world, numerically, what number wise, like was it really us, like, was successful, initially I remember in the first year when it came out, it was a lot of people were relatively playing it, and but I don't know, like,

[SPEAKER_00]: it depends on how many servers or even if they shrink the servers, if it's even worth it for the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of don't knock them on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: What I do knock them on is the fact that they shut down the whole damn studio.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, like, I mean, it's just like, it's really, like,

[SPEAKER_00]: because let's face it.

[SPEAKER_00]: MMOs, they come, they go.

[SPEAKER_00]: If it was a game like, there's no, like, unless they openly say that we're shutting down the, I mean, nine times out of ten, that every, every one of those RPGs, you will, will have the same fate, which will be like, due to the, it's always going to be about money.

[SPEAKER_00]: Money is going to be the driving factor of even keeping those servers up whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it is what it is, or like,

[SPEAKER_00]: if it was like a game as a service which would be worse in my opinion in that situation like okay there's no like game as service there's there's i don't think it's been one six truly successful game as a service besides fortnight that that that can that can keep themselves like fully like you know

[SPEAKER_00]: maintaining new content and new content and stuff and people just take it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apex Legends is on the down, down one's follow right now, though, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, yeah, it's not, it's not good right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, and that's a, yeah, so like, uh, uh, it's these things, but these things are very best, uh, it's a very fickle line.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, and I understand it's like for for a new world, given the fact, I don't know how long it's been now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been now for like four years, four or five years.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it came out around the pandemic.

[SPEAKER_05]: E times.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it had a good enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it had to couldn't have run as a game.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I could understand for them to win the sunset.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then they just shut down, I mean, I don't know how big the studio is, but to say that 14,000 people are losing their jobs for whatever it is, probably redundancy, and then also quote unquote, they never call it laying them off.

[SPEAKER_00]: They always call them restructuring of some sort that like, like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what is it like what is it that that that that could have been done to see if it was something that could have been that they were were they working on because there's no way that There was just working on just new world if they did that's insane.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think that's all they were working on was new world that the the point of new world was to be a sustainable Game that lasted like that that's they built it for that purpose.

[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't make sense to me why

[SPEAKER_05]: why you half lean into that and then again it's like they're looking for places to cut and they're like oh let's just and they're they need me just cut the game they cut the whole ass studio everything's going on yeah we're just not even diving into this you know any any more which is is pretty telling as well um i just don't understand what the point of even going

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, do that and be a sustain why imagine that's why you build a game like that to have a meaty update like they just had, you know, people and I felt like players that they're player numbers were on the rise, you know, with the update and whatnot and the changes and things like that that they've made it's just for them to pull the plug entirely just is just like not only that, but

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like what the, what these corporations and stuff like that aren't realizing is that they are breaking the trust of gamers.

[SPEAKER_05]: I have a hard time even buying in the games like that, knowing that if I shit, why, why do, when I already know how it's going to end?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to get subpar content.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to get, you know, maybe yada yada yada and it's going to be closed here in a few years and I'll never look at the game again.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, I'm at the point where it's like, I'm not even going to waste my time.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not going to waste my time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm trying to eat.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to see like how good their the number is on there with the, uh, uh, like what their their peaks were.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, yeah, I mean, it's, it is, I mean, now they just definitely, okay, here it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they're all, wow, they're all time peak because it's been, it came out four years ago, four, four, four, four, four years ago, all time peak was 913,000 people were playing, which was incredibly hot, but then, uh, but then in a, let's see, let's go to a 30 day.

[SPEAKER_00]: uh... their average is eight thousand nine hundred forty six which is all right yeah like but look at it but for regular game but look at that as an mmo that's way too small let's see what you have the final fancy fourteen let's see what fourteen is i'm uh... the compared to it yeah yeah so in the yeah so in a month uh... like monthly uh... monthly their average is

[SPEAKER_00]: is 95,000, 95,000 month monthly.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, because it's so like, yeah, like, 8,000 is all 95,000 on people are paying for that, too.

[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: paying for to stay in that deal and you know that that's yeah and so that so it's understandable why they could they could justify keeping that up but when you really look at it eight thousand as one person that's one server essentially that's not even filled up and then on top of that you have you have a development team to give you expansions that's making expansions for you so like I understand like yeah so let me take

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so at least we don't understand like, okay, it didn't last, it didn't do it the way that you wanted to do it shut it down and then move on.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, the their mentality was with it didn't do what we wanted to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's shut the whole thing down.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to shut the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get a good ride.

[SPEAKER_00]: Time to leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: Time to pack up our bags.

[SPEAKER_05]: You try it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so no, yeah, it's unfortunate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really do feel so it feel bad about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, because I do, I know I'm friend that used to work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he still did, but they did work at the end of the game, so they don't know if they did at that studio, but damn, do 14, but just the number, 14,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is wild.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so crazy that you even think about like, uh, uh, it's like, like, like, I didn't they also speculate, like Microsoft's going to be losing another 9,000 next, like, sometime in 2026 and early 2026.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, it's just, it's, it's so bad to see.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we're just only, like I said, we're still going to see a bleed even more, you know, you know, it doesn't stop, it hasn't stopped and don't expect it to stop anytime.

[SPEAKER_05]: See you and I imagine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, that's such an important thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Makes me worried for other studios that are under the company.

[SPEAKER_01]: The company, it's like large companies that died into gaming during the pandemic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's like, it's like,

[SPEAKER_00]: it's like these investments with big companies is like that's the last is it feel like that's not that you that's what you don't want to have it's like you don't want the big brothers of like you know big conglomerates to be like okay we're going to go in the gaming I mean look at what's going to happen now and you saw Saudi Arabia is going to probably pump in so much ridiculous money to go in and that's going to be the go away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not gonna make it any better.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just gonna be worse, especially if they care about their returns back, they've already announced that they're wanting to help much say wanting to push AI with EA, I can only imagine how these games are gonna be next in the future.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, yep, God, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like, it sounds nightmareish, but they, what do you, we can't do anything about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, see, it's gonna be here to see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do I'll say this right now, if the landscape is going to go full, like a massive amount AI, I think I'll stop doing this podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just completely.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, there will always be in the games my friend, and if not, we'll make our own games.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even there, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to do it, we've got to

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking about games we've been touching from the real people played and man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, and man, put this real good classic called Gumbi.

[SPEAKER_01]: Invite developers that come and talk about what they did with the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's what seems like it's going, that's what it's going to be leading to very, very soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, and you told me, it's alright.

[SPEAKER_00]: I should turn my back on gaming.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really won't.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like, it's really right.

[SPEAKER_00]: The next step would probably be more.

[SPEAKER_00]: More in the intro into, uh, yeah, into retro.

[SPEAKER_05]: I've been leaning more into indie, indie games and indie devs and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, they're coming up with fun, unique, creative games.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, swap me.

[SPEAKER_05]: had a blast playing at the other day.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, so I think this only increases the spotlight on these, these indie and double-a game developers.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think now there are chances to see some of that market that have been dominated by these AAA companies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's very true.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's very true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, no, they stop it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, good, good thing to think on and sleep on for the rest of the night.

[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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